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We most certainly do talk to terrorists, no question about it. [00:15]
We are at war with a new form of terrorism . [00:20]
terrorism:n.恐怖主义;
It's sort of the good old, traditional form of terrorism, but it's sort of been packaged for the 21st century. [00:26]
traditional:传统的,惯例的,
One of the big things about countering terrorism is, how do you perceive it? [00:33]
perceive:v.注意到;意识到;将…理解为;认为;
Because perception leads to your response to it. [00:41]
perception:n.感知;知觉;看法;洞察力; response:n.响应;反应;回答;
So if you have a traditional perception of terrorism, it would be that it's one of criminality , one of war. [00:44]
criminality:n.有罪,犯罪;犯罪行为;
So how are you going to respond to it? [00:52]
respond:vi.回答;作出反应;承担责任;n.应答;唱和;
Naturally , it would follow that you meet kind with kind. [00:54]
Naturally:adv.自然地;自然而然地;轻而易举;天生地;大方地;
You fight it. If you have a more modernist approach , and your perception of terrorism is almost cause-and-effect , then naturally from that, the responses that come out of it are much more asymmetrical . [00:58]
modernist:n.现代主义者;现代主义艺术家;adj.现代主义的; approach:n.方法;路径;v.接近;建议;着手处理; cause-and-effect:因果;有因果关系的; responses:n.回答,答复;反应;响应;(response的复数) asymmetrical:adj.[数]非对称的(等于asymmetric);不均匀的;不匀称的;
We live in a modern, global world. [01:13]
global:adj.全球的;总体的;球形的;
Terrorists have actually adapted to it. [01:18]
adapted:adj.适于…的; v.使适应,使适合; (adapt的过去分词和过去式)
It's something we have to, too, and that means the people who are working on counterterrorism responses have to start, in effect, putting on their Google-tinted glasses, or whatever. [01:21]
counterterrorism:n.反暴行;反恐怖主义;反暴力主义;
For my part , what I wanted us to do was just to look at terrorism as though it was a global brand , say, Coca-Cola . [01:35]
For my part:就我而言,对我来说; brand:v.铭刻于,铭记;打烙印于;印…商标于;n.商标,牌子;烙印; Coca-Cola:n.可口可乐(美国饮料公司);
Both are fairly bad for your health. (Laughter) [01:45]
fairly:adv.相当地;公平地;简直;
If you look at it as a brand in those ways, what you'll come to realize is, it's a pretty flawed product. [01:51]
flawed:adj.有缺陷的;有瑕疵的;有裂纹的;
As we've said, it's pretty bad for your health, it's bad for those who it affects, and it's not actually good if you're a suicide bomber either. [01:58]
suicide:n.自杀;自杀行为;自杀者;adj.自杀的;v.自杀;vi.自杀; bomber:n.轰炸机;投弹手;
It doesn't actually do what it says on the tin. [02:06]
You're not really going to get 72 virgins in heaven. [02:10]
virgins:n.处女;童男;无…经验的人;新手;(virgin的复数)
It's not going to happen, I don't think. [02:15]
And you're not really going to, in the '80s, end capitalism by supporting one of these groups. It's a load of nonsense . [02:17]
capitalism:n.资本主义; nonsense:n.胡说;废话;adj.荒谬的;int.胡说;
But what you realize, it's got an Achilles' heel . [02:24]
heel:n.脚后跟;足跟;卑鄙的家伙;v.给(鞋等)修理后跟;倾侧;倾斜
The brand has an Achilles' heel. [02:28]
We've mentioned the health, but it needs consumers to buy into it. [02:30]
consumers:n.消费者;顾客;用户;(consumer的复数)
The consumers it needs are the terrorist constituency . [02:36]
constituency:n.(选区的)选民;支持者;(一批)顾客;
They're the people who buy into the brand, support them, facilitate them, and they're the people we've got to reach out to. [02:40]
facilitate:vt.促进;帮助;使容易;
We've got to attack that brand in front of them. [02:48]
There's two essential ways of doing that, if we carry on this brand theme. [02:51]
essential:n.要点;要素;实质;必需品;adj.完全必要的;必不可少的;极其重要的;本质的;
One is reducing their market. What I mean is, it's their brand against our brand. We've got to compete . [02:56]
compete:v.竞争;对抗;参加比赛(或竞赛);
We've got to show we're a better product. [03:04]
If I'm trying to show we're a better product, [03:06]
I probably wouldn't do things like Guantanamo Bay. [03:09]
Guantanamo:n.关塔那摩(古巴);
We've talked there about curtailing the underlying need for the product itself. You could be looking there at poverty , injustice , all those sorts of things which feed terrorism. [03:14]
curtailing:vt.缩减;剪短;剥夺…特权等; underlying:adj.根本的; v.构成…的基础; (underlie的现在分词) poverty:n.贫困;困难;缺少;低劣; injustice:n.不公正;不讲道义;
The other thing to do is to knock the product, attack the brand myth , as we've said. [03:26]
myth:n.神话;虚构的人,虚构的事;
You know, there's nothing heroic about killing a young kid. [03:32]
heroic:adj.英雄的;英勇的;记叙英雄及其事迹的;夸张的;n.史诗;英勇行为;
Perhaps we need to focus on that and get that message back across. [03:36]
We've got to reveal the dangers in the product. [03:40]
reveal:v.显示;透露;揭露;泄露;n.揭露;暴露;门侧,窗侧;
Our target audience, it's not just the producers of terrorism, as I've said, the terrorists. [03:43]
It's not just the marketeers of terrorism, which is those who finance , those who facilitate it, but it's the consumers of terrorism. [03:48]
marketeers:n.市场商人; finance:n.财政,财政学;金融;v.负担经费,供给…经费;
We've got to get in to those homelands. [03:57]
That's where they recruit from. That's where they get their power and strength. [04:01]
recruit:n.新兵; v.吸收(新成员); (通过招募)组成;
That's where their consumers come from. [04:04]
And we have to get our messaging in there. [04:06]
So the essentials are, we've got to have interaction in those areas, with the terrorists, the facilitators , etc. [04:10]
essentials:n.要素;要点;必需品;(essential的复数) interaction:n.[计]交互,相互作用;相互交流;干扰; facilitators:n.辅助商;服务性企业;促进者;
We've got to engage , we've got to educate, and we've got to have dialogue. [04:18]
engage:v.吸引,占用;使参加;雇佣;使订婚;预定;
Now, staying on this brand thing for just a few more seconds, think about delivery mechanisms . [04:23]
delivery:n.[贸易]交付;分娩;递送; mechanisms:n.机制;[机]机构(mechanism的复数);机械;[机]机构学;
How are we going to do these attacks? [04:31]
Well, reducing the market is really one for governments and civil society. We've got to show we're better. [04:32]
civil:adj.公民的;民间的;文职的;有礼貌的;根据民法的;
We've got to show our values. [04:39]
We've got to practice what we preach . [04:43]
preach:v.宣扬;说教;布道;n.说教;训诫;
But when it comes to knocking the brand, if the terrorists are Coca-Cola and we're Pepsi , [04:45]
Pepsi:n.[食品]百事可乐(一种饮料的商标名称);
I don't think, being Pepsi, anything we say about Coca-Cola, anyone's going to believe us. [04:52]
So we've got to find a different mechanism, and one of the best mechanisms I've ever come across is the victims of terrorism. [04:58]
come across:偶然遇见;给人以…的印象;
They are somebody who can actually stand there and say, "This product's crap . I had it and I was sick for days. [05:05]
crap:n.废话;废物;屎;拉屎;vi.掷骰子;拉屎;
It burnt my hand, whatever." You believe them. [05:12]
You can see their scars. You trust them. [05:16]
But whether it's victims, whether it's governments, [05:19]
NGOs, or even the Queen yesterday, in Northern Ireland, we have to interact and engage with those different layers of terrorism, and, in effect, we do have to have a little dance with the devil . [05:24]
layers:n.层;表层;层次;阶层;v.把…分层堆放;(layer的第三人称单数和复数) devil:n.魔鬼;撒旦;家伙;恶棍;淘气鬼;冒失鬼;v.虐待,折磨;扯碎;做助手;
This is my favorite part of my speech. [05:42]
I wanted to blow you all up to try and make a point, but — (Laughter) — [05:45]
TED, for health and safety reasons, have told me [05:52]
I've got to do a countdown , so [05:55]
countdown:n.倒数计秒;
I feel like a bit of an Irish or Jewish terrorist, sort of a health and safety terrorist, and I — (Laughter) — [05:57]
Jewish:adj.犹太人的;犹太族的;
I've got to count 3, 2, 1, and it's a bit alarming, so thinking of what my motto would be, and it would be, "Body parts, not heart attacks." [06:05]
motto:n.座右铭,格言;箴言;
So 3, 2, 1. (Explosion sound) [06:15]
Very good. (Laughter) [06:20]
Now, lady in 15J was a suicide bomber amongst us all. [06:25]
amongst:prep.在…之中;在…当中(等于among);
We're all victims of terrorism. [06:33]
There's 625 of us in this room. We're going to be scarred for life. [06:35]
There was a father and a son who sat in that seat over there. [06:40]
The son's dead. The father lives. [06:44]
The father will probably kick himself for years to come that he didn't take that seat instead of his kid. [06:46]
He's going to take to alcohol , and he's probably going to kill himself in three years. That's the stats . [06:57]
alcohol:n.酒精;乙醇;含酒精饮料; stats:n.统计数据;统计学;
There's a very young, attractive lady over here, and she has something which I think's the worst form of psychological , physical injury I've ever seen out of a suicide bombing: It's human shrapnel . [07:03]
attractive:adj.吸引人的;有魅力的;引人注目的; psychological:adj.心理的;心理学的;精神上的; physical:adj.[物]物理的;身体的;物质的;符合自然法则的;n.体格检查; injury:n.伤害,损害;受伤处; shrapnel:n.弹片;榴霰弹;零钱;
What it means is, when she sat in a restaurant in years to come, 10 years to come, 15 years to come, or she's on the beach , every so often she's going to start rubbing her skin, and out of there will come a piece of that shrapnel. [07:16]
on the beach:adj.在海滩上;失业的;潦倒的;退休的; every so often:adv.偶尔;常常;时常; rubbing:v.擦;磨;搓;(使)相互摩擦;摩擦;(rub的现在分词)
And that is a hard thing for the head to take. [07:29]
There's a lady over there as well who lost her legs in this bombing. [07:34]
She's going to find out that she gets a pitiful amount of money off our government for looking after what's happened to her. [07:41]
pitiful:adj.可怜的,令人同情的;
She had a daughter who was going to go to one of the best universities. She's going to give up university to look after Mum. [07:52]
We're all here, and all of those who watch it are going to be traumatized by this event, but all of you here who are victims are going to learn some hard truths. [08:01]
traumatized:adj.心理受到创伤的;v.使受创伤(traumatize的过去式和过去分词);
That is, our society, we sympathize , but after a while, we start to ignore . We don't do enough as a society. [08:11]
sympathize:v.同情;赞同;支持; ignore:v.驳回诉讼;忽视;不理睬;
We do not look after our victims, and we do not enable them, and what I'm going to try and show is that actually, victims are the best weapon we have against more terrorism. [08:19]
enable:v.使能够;使有机会;使成为可能;使可行;
How would the government at the turn of the millennium approach today? Well, we all know. [08:32]
millennium:n.千年期,千禧年;一千年,千年纪念;太平盛世,黄金时代;
What they'd have done then is an invasion . [08:38]
invasion:n.武装入侵;侵略;侵犯;涌入;干预;
If the suicide bomber was from Wales, good luck to Wales, I'd say. [08:41]
Knee-jerk legislation , emergency provision legislation -- which hits at the very basis of our society, as we all know -- it's a mistake. [08:46]
Knee-jerk:n.下意识,自动反应;膝反射;adj.下意识的,自动反应的;膝反射的; legislation:n.立法;法律; emergency:n.紧急情况;突发事件;非常时刻;adj.紧急的;备用的; provision:n.规定;条款;准备;[经]供应品;vt.供给…食物及必需品;
We're going to drive prejudice throughout Edinburgh , throughout the U.K., for Welsh people. [08:57]
prejudice:n.偏见;侵害;vt.损害;使有偏见; throughout:adv.自始至终,到处;全部;prep.贯穿,遍及; Edinburgh:n.爱丁堡(英国城市名);
Today's approach, governments have learned from their mistakes. [09:05]
They are looking at what I've started off on, on these more asymmetrical approaches to it, more modernist views, cause and effect. [09:11]
approaches:v.靠近,接近; n.方式,方法,态度;
But mistakes of the past are inevitable . [09:19]
inevitable:adj.必然的,不可避免的;
It's human nature . [09:22]
human nature:n.人性;
The fear and the pressure to do something on them is going to be immense . They are going to make mistakes. [09:23]
immense:adj.巨大的,广大的;无边无际的;非常好的;
They're not just going to be smart. [09:29]
There was a famous Irish terrorist who once summed up the point very beautifully. He said, "The thing is, about the British government, is, is that it's got to be lucky all the time, and we only have to be lucky once." [09:33]
summed:v.归纳;总计;总结,概括;(sum的过去分词和过去式)
So what we need to do is we have to effect it. [09:46]
We've got to start thinking about being more proactive . [09:49]
proactive:adj.前摄的(前一活动中的因素对后一活动造成影响的);
We need to build an arsenal of noncombative weapons in this war on terrorism. [09:52]
arsenal:n.兵工厂;军械库;
But of course, it's ideas -- is not something that governments do very well. [09:58]
I want to go back just to before the bang , to this idea of brand, and I was talking about Coke and Pepsi, etc. [10:07]
bang:n.猛敲; v.猛敲; v.正好;
We see it as terrorism versus democracy in that brand war. [10:15]
versus:prep.对;与...相对;对抗; democracy:n.民主,民主主义;民主政治;
They'll see it as freedom fighters and truth against injustice, imperialism , etc. [10:19]
imperialism:n.帝国主义;
We do have to see this as a deadly battlefield . [10:28]
deadly:adj.致命的;非常的;死一般的;adv.非常;如死一般地; battlefield:n.战场;沙场;斗争的领域;容易引发冲突的情况
It's not just [our] flesh and blood they want. [10:32]
flesh and blood:adj.血肉般的;
They actually want our cultural souls, and that's why the brand analogy is a very interesting way of looking at this. [10:35]
cultural:adj.与文化有关的;文化的;与艺术、文学、音乐等有关的; analogy:n.类比;类推;类似;
If we look at al Qaeda. Al Qaeda was essentially a product on a shelf in a souk somewhere which not many people had heard of. [10:42]
essentially:adv.本质上;本来; souk:n.(穆斯林国家的)露天市场;露天剧场;
9/11 launched it. It was its big marketing day, and it was packaged for the 21st century. They knew what they were doing. [10:54]
launched:v.发射;发起;开展;开始;(launch的过去式和过去分词)
They were effectively [doing] something in this brand image of creating a brand which can be franchised around the world, where there's poverty, ignorance and injustice. [11:03]
franchised:v.授权(franchise的过去分词);adj.特许经营的;经授权的; ignorance:n.无知,愚昧;不知,不懂;
We, as I've said, have got to hit that market, but we've got to use our heads rather than our might. [11:15]
If we perceive it in this way as a brand, or other ways of thinking at it like this, we will not resolve or counter terrorism. [11:23]
resolve:vt.决定; vi.解决; n.坚决;
What I'd like to do is just briefly go through a few examples from my work on areas where we try and approach these things differently. [11:31]
briefly:adv.简要地;简短地;暂时地;
The first one has been dubbed "lawfare," [11:40]
dubbed:v.把…戏称为; (dub的过去分词和过去式)
for want of a better word. [11:44]
When we originally looked at bringing civil actions against terrorists, everyone thought we were a bit mad and mavericks and crackpots . Now it's got a title. Everyone's doing it. [11:46]
originally:adv.原来;起初; mavericks:n.未打烙印的无畜主动物; adj.未打烙印的; crackpots:n.狂想家,疯子;怪人;adj.不切实际的,想入非非的;
There's a bomb, people start suing . [11:56]
suing:v.控告:提起诉讼:(sue的现在分词)
But one of the first early cases on this was the Omagh Bombing. [11:58]
A civil action was brought from 1998. [12:02]
In Omagh, bomb went off, Real IRA, middle of a peace process . [12:05]
peace process:n.和平进程;
That meant that the culprits couldn't really be prosecuted for lots of reasons, mostly to do with the peace process and what was going on, the greater good. [12:11]
culprits:n.犯人,罪犯;被控犯罪的人; prosecuted:v.起诉;控告;检举;(prosecute的过去式和过去分词)
It also meant, then, if you can imagine this, that the people who bombed your children and your husbands were walking around the supermarket that you lived in. [12:21]
Some of those victims said enough is enough . [12:32]
enough is enough:够了;适可而止;
We brought a private action, and thank God, 10 years later, we actually won it. There is a slight appeal on at the moment so I have to be a bit careful, but I'm fairly confident . [12:36]
slight:adj.轻微的;略微的;细小的;纤细的;n.侮慢;冷落;轻视;v.侮慢;冷落;轻视; appeal:n.上诉;吸引力;申诉;魅力;v.上诉;呼吁;申诉;恳求; confident:adj.自信的;确信的;
Why was it effective ? [12:46]
effective:adj.有效的,起作用的;实际的,实在的;给人深刻印象;
It was effective not just because justice was seen to be done where there was a huge void . [12:48]
void:adj.空的;无效的;无人的;n.空虚;空间;空隙;v.使无效;排放;
It was because the Real IRA and other terrorist groups, their whole strength is from the fact that they are an underdog . When we put the victims as the underdog and flipped it, they didn't know what to do. [12:52]
underdog:n.比赛中不被看好者;失败者;受压迫者;斗败了的狗; do.:做,干
They were embarrassed . Their recruitment went down. [13:07]
embarrassed:adj.尴尬的;窘迫的;v.使...局促不安;(embarrass的过去分词和过去式) recruitment:n.补充;征募新兵;
The bombs actually stopped -- fact -- because of this action. [13:11]
We became, or those victims became, more importantly, a ghost that haunted the terrorist organization . [13:15]
ghost:n.鬼,幽灵;v.作祟于;替…捉刀;为人代笔; organization:n.组织;机构;体制;团体;
There's other examples. We have a case called Almog which is to do with a bank that was, allegedly , from our point of view , giving rewards to suicide bombers . [13:23]
allegedly:adv.依其申述;据说,据称; point of view:观点;见地;立场; rewards:n.[劳经]奖励; v.[劳经]奖赏; bombers:n.[航][军]轰炸机;喷射机;扔炸弹的人(bomber的复数形式);
Just by bringing the very action, that bank has stopped doing it, and indeed, the powers that be around the world, which for real politic reasons before, couldn't actually deal with this issue , because there was lots of competing interests, have actually closed down those loopholes in the banking system. [13:37]
politic:adj.精明的;有策略的;狡猾的;审慎的;vi.拉选票; issue:n.重要议题;争论的问题;v.宣布;公布;发出;发行; competing:adj.相互冲突的;相互矛盾的;v.竞争;对抗;参加比赛;(compete的现在分词) loopholes:n.漏洞;枪眼(loophole的复数);
There's another case called the McDonald case, where some victims of Semtex , of the Provisional IRA bombings , which were supplied by Gaddafi, sued , and that action has led to amazing things for new Libya . [13:53]
Semtex:n.塞姆汀塑胶炸药(商标名称);可变塑料炸弹; Provisional:adj.临时的,暂时的;暂定的;n.临时邮票; bombings:n.[军]轰炸,[军]投弹;v.轰击;引爆炸弹(bomb的ing形式); sued:v.控告;提起诉讼;提出请求;(sue的过去分词和过去式) Libya:n.埃及以西的北非地方古名;利比亚;
New Libya has been compassionate towards those victims, and started taking it -- so it started a whole new dialogue there. [14:11]
compassionate:adj.慈悲的;富于同情心的;vt.同情;怜悯;
But the problem is, we need more and more support for these ideas and cases. [14:18]
Civil affairs and civil society initiatives . [14:25]
initiatives:n.积极性;主动权(initiative的复数);创始;
A good one is in Somalia. There's a war on piracy . [14:29]
piracy:n.海盗行为;剽窃;著作权侵害;非法翻印;
If anyone thinks you can have a war on piracy like a war on terrorism and beat it, you're wrong. [14:32]
What we're trying to do there is turn pirates to fisherman. [14:36]
They used to be fisherman, of course, but we stole their fish and dumped a load of toxic waste in their water, so what we're trying to do is create security and employment by bringing a coastguard [14:39]
dumped:v.丢弃,扔掉;丢下;抛弃;倾销,抛售;(dump的过去分词和过去式) toxic:adj.有毒的;中毒的; employment:n.使用;职业;雇用; coastguard:n.海岸警备队;水上警察;
along with the fisheries industry, and I can guarantee you, as that builds, al Shabaab and such likes will not have the poverty and injustice any longer to prey on those people. [14:51]
fisheries:n.渔业;渔场(fishery的复数);捕鱼术;渔业公司; guarantee:n.保证;担保;保证人;保证书;抵押品;v.保证;担保; prey:n.猎物;受害者;受骗者;v.折磨;掠夺;捕食(on,upon);损害(on,upon);
These initiatives cost less than a missile , and certainly less than any soldier's life, but more importantly, it takes the war to their homelands, and not onto our shore, and we're looking at the causes. [15:01]
missile:n.导弹;发射物;投掷物;
The last one I wanted to talk about was dialogue. [15:14]
The advantages of dialogue are obvious . [15:17]
advantages:n.有利条件; v.有利于; obvious:adj.明显的;显著的;平淡无奇的;
It self-educates both sides, enables a better understanding, reveals the strengths and weaknesses, and yes, like some of the speakers before, the shared vulnerability does lead to trust, and it does then become, that process, part of normalization . [15:20]
enables:v.使得; (enable的第三人称单数) reveals:v.揭示;显示;透露;展示;(reveal的第三人称单数) vulnerability:n.易损性;弱点; normalization:n.正常化;标准化;正规化;常态化;
But it's not an easy road. After the bomb, the victims are not into this. [15:36]
There's practical problems. [15:44]
practical:adj.实际的;真实的;客观存在的;n.实习课;实践课;
It's politically risky for the protagonists and for the interlocutors. On one occasion [15:46]
politically:adv.政治上; protagonists:主人公;主角;
I was doing it, every time I did a point that they didn't like, they actually threw stones at me, and when I did a point they liked, they starting shooting in the air, equally not great. (Laughter) [15:51]
Whatever the point, it gets to the heart of the problem, you're doing it, you're talking to them. [16:02]
Now, I just want to end with saying, if we follow reason, we realize that I think we'd all say that we want to have a perception of terrorism which is not just a pure military perception of it. [16:08]
military:adj.军事的;军人的;适于战争的;n.军队;军人;
We need to foster more modern and asymmetrical responses to it. [16:23]
foster:vt.培养;养育,抚育;抱(希望等);adj.收养的,养育的;
This isn't about being soft on terrorism. [16:28]
It's about fighting them on contemporary battlefields . [16:31]
contemporary:n.同时代的人;同时期的东西;adj.当代的;同时代的;属于同一时期的; battlefields:n.杀戮战场(BBC的纪录片);
We must foster innovation , as I've said. [16:35]
innovation:n.创新,革新;新方法;
Governments are receptive . It won't come from those dusty corridors . [16:38]
receptive:adj.善于接受的;能容纳的; dusty:adj.落满灰尘的; corridors:n.廊道,[建]走廊(corridor的复数形式);
The private sector has a role. [16:42]
private sector:n.(国家经济的)私营部分;
The role we could do right now is going away and looking at how we can support victims around the world to bring initiatives. [16:44]
If I was to leave you with some big questions here which may change one's perception to it, and who knows what thoughts and responses will come out of it, [16:52]
but did myself and my terrorist group actually need to blow you up to make our point? [17:00]
We have to ask ourselves these questions, however unpalatable . [17:07]
unpalatable:adj.味道差的,难吃的;讨人厌的,使人不快的;
Have we been ignoring an injustice or a humanitarian struggle somewhere in the world? [17:12]
ignoring:v.忽略,忽视;(ignore的现在分词); humanitarian:adj.人道主义的;博爱的;基督凡人论的;n.人道主义者;基督凡人论者;
What if , actually, engagement on poverty and injustice is exactly what the terrorists wanted us to do? [17:18]
What if:如果…怎么办? engagement:n.婚约;约会;交战;诺言;n.参与度;
What if the bombs are just simply wake-up calls for us? [17:23]
wake-up:吵醒,叫醒
What happens if that bomb went off because we didn't have any thoughts and things in place to allow dialogue to deal with these things and interaction? [17:26]
What is definitely uncontroversial is that, as I've said, we've got to stop being reactive , and more proactive, and I just want to leave you with one idea, which is that [17:37]
definitely:adv.清楚地,当然;明确地,肯定地; uncontroversial:adj.非争论性的;不会引起争论的; reactive:adj.反应的;电抗的;反动的;
it's a provocative question for you to think about, and the answer will require sympathy with the devil. [17:49]
provocative:adj.刺激的,挑拨的;气人的;n.刺激物,挑拨物;兴奋剂; sympathy:n.同情;慰问;赞同;
It's a question that's been tackled by many great thinkers and writers: What if society actually needs crisis to change? [17:56]
tackled:v,解决,处理,对付;(tackle的过去式和过去分词) crisis:n.危机;危险期;决定性时刻;adj.危机的;用于处理危机的;
What if society actually needs terrorism to change and adapt for the better ? [18:04]
for the better:好转,向好的方向发展;
It's those Bulgakov themes, it's that picture of Jesus and the Devil hand in hand in Gethsemane walking into the moonlight. [18:10]
Jesus:int.上帝啊:天哪:n.耶稣:耶稣基督: hand in hand:adj.并进的;手拉手的;亲密的;
What it would mean is that humans, in order to survive in development, quite Darwinian spirit here, inherently must dance with the devil. [18:20]
Darwinian:adj.达尔文的;达尔文学说的;n.进化论者; inherently:adv.内在地;固有地;天性地;
A lot of people say that communism was defeated by the Rolling Stones. It's a good theory. [18:32]
communism:n.共产主义;
Maybe the Rolling Stones has a place in this. [18:40]
Thank you. [18:43]
(Music) (Applause) [18:45]
Bruno Giussani: Thank you. (Applause) [18:54]